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general Terminated with extreme prejudice ... FOR SMOKING
by Jaidon
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(jaidon@hotmail.com) on Jan 28, 2005 01:18:39 AM

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If you look up the word asinine on the internet, it's very likely that you will come across a Michigan based business by the name of Weyco, a company that provides healthcare related services. The founder, one Mr. Howard Weyers, has implemented a policy rivaled in its discrimination of indviduals only by Eugenics whereby all employees who refuse to quit smoking (even at home off the clock) are fired. There have already been several terminations for those employees who refused a mandatory breath-test that can detect the presence of latent cigarette smoke. Mr. Weyers now wants to target those who are overweight. This is a dangerous precedent indeed, especially for myself and my fellow geeks out there. By gods, who out there knows a geek who isn't fat, addicted to nicotine, or both?

In addition, I would also like to point out as an addendum to this story that most scientists agree stress is a major factor in why we gain weight and engage in unhealthy activities. Perhaps we should look at suing employers for making our lives difficult before they have a chance to fire us for the side effects.

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    from Why WEYCO is serious about smoking (PDF):

    Despite facts like these, we also get the question: "What will companies ban next -- unhealthy eating, drinking, and sexual behavior?"

    The answer is no.


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but that was not a 'yes or no' question. In fact, it appears to be no form of question at all -- it starts off as a general query, then answers itself, yet ends in a perplexingly inappropriate question mark.

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      is rhetorical question. but of course you knew that.
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    of people citing smoking as a reason for calling child services, or in support of how to arrange custody. People turn away because the smokers dig their hole by saying smoking isn't bad for their baby, its their choice, what will they ban next.
    These are bad reasons because any fucktard on the planet can answer them without the slightest attempt to intelligently analyze the statement. Then the market is flooded with idiocy, and people lean to the safe side just in case. Then, there's no smoking in bars.

    So fuck them before the process starts. You're right, sue the fucking pants off of them.
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    Eugenics? Negatory.
    by keepright(keepright@oh.ok.co.uk)
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    on Jan 29, 2005 12:52:01 PM
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    sorry dood. this reads to me like an argument urgently defending toxic bread and poisonous circuses. if you want to smoke and work and smoke and play and smoke and smoke and smoke some more, all at the same time, surrounded by smoke and Smoker's Freedoms, steeping until you are prematurely skinless in a polluted haze of collective smoker-friendly denial, to boot: move to Kentucky, is my advice. Viva Weyco!
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    Well, imho
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    on Feb 7, 2005 12:36:53 PM
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    The problem is not the smoking, its the inconsistency. It is illegal for a business do discriminate on other unhealthy habits, such as obesity, alcohol addiction, etc. Smoking addiction is not considered a "disease" so it is not protected. This is inconsistent and unfair.

    I think the core of the problem is that companies get blanket healthcare plans for all their employees, picking up the tab for the costs equally. This is unfair to their healthier employees. For some reason, insurance companies offer much better rates for companies providing coverage pacakges to all their employees - I suspect its because they make the money back off of employees who don't use the service, whereas private, individual customers know they need coverage. So, to deal with both these problems, simply figure in the insurance costs into the contract. Simply adjust the contract such that employees' salaries are reduced or added equal to the adjustment from the mean health-insurance cost for the company. If an employee has an unhealthy habit, let them pay for it.

    All of this stems from the US problem of handing off health insurance to the private companies. Here in Canada, oru system may be sluggish, but at least its fair. Plus, the Canadian government has an innovative solution to the problem: sue the cigarette companies for the health care costs associated with treating their customers.
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      We sue as well
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      All the time.

      You're right, but there certainly is a problem in firing someone based on insurance. You're right, it should be handled differently, but job opportunity should not be a risk.
      I'd like to see the response to sending a thousand smokers over to Iraq, to live a lavish lifestyle on the military's tab, as they fight terrorists with second-hand smoke.
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