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people Stupid, ignorant, closedminded asshats.
by Captain Zilog
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(CaptZilog@hotmail.com) on Dec 17, 2003 08:55:40 AM

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They're like zits with two legs and a mouth, I swear to fucking god.
 
So I'm getting into a fun debate over on another board with some guys about the government, when on logs in a Marine. Captain A-fucking-merica himself. Now, I'm not going to reproduce the discussion, but let's just say my stance was the government isn't to be trusted, and you can guess his. So he gets all personal, saying I'm a moron, saying I can't be right, I said he was closed minded. He didn't agree, and he said some retarded things "If you have nothing to hide, why are you afraid of the PATRIOT act?" You know, simple shit like that. He got frustrated, and left, thank god.

Then you have the little fuckers that get in on it that don't know their ass from their dicks, who then try to tell me I'm wrong, blah blah blah, and leave it at that with no supporting arguments, so I just ignore them. No big deal there, I think there were two of them.



But then, all of the sudden logs in an old navy guy... This guy made the Marine look like an anarchist, saying he'd been reading my posts and wanting to yell at me about them, he called me Mr. Dean (I still don't get this one, Howard Dean has nothing to do with me or anything I stated), then called me a left-winger, called me a liar, said he'll rip my info to shreds... You get the picture. He says I have "STUPID INFORMATION" (in capitals and everything, and I think he may have misspelled stupid) about 9/11. Not to bore you with the details, but his point was totally retarded, something like even if the gov't had the information about 9/11 (which they did, BTW), they shouldn't tell the New Yorkers, because the city would panic (as opposed to 3,000 dead). More of the general, "I didn't read your post all the way, but my patriotic/hick blood makes everything fightin' werds!"
*sigh*

So how the fuck are people so closed minded? They actually believe this system works. They don't think the government hides things. I mean, come on, it's only been PROVEN that they do. Look at the Iran-Iraq contra, look at the fucking Colombian drug cartels, look at the LSD trials, there's tons of this shit, and that's all old news. Our fore-fucking-fathers even said to not trust the government! How the fuck does someone blindly look past all of that, and more, and somehow get so riled up in defending a completely defeated point that they practically piss themselves typing it? Man, does that get my blood pressure up, they're like that fucking dog down the street that won't shut the fuck up, I had to leave and vow never to go back to that thread. Those ignorant assholes were about to drive me into a murderous rage. God damnit, I swear to God almighty himself, one day the hammer is gonna come down, and I recommend all of you who value your existance be very very far away from me when it happens...

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    to respond to marine boy
    by irni(gfd@ctrl-alt-fuckoff.com)
    gfd messagesAIMYahooMSN
    on Dec 17, 2003 09:14:58 AM
    (#12239)
    I would have said something to the effect of "I have nothing to hide but the fucking constitution protects my rights and last time I checked we weren't under rule of a fascist government.... yet." but.... what's the point really? You aren't going to change his mind, he isn't going to change yours. Fuck it.

    You want to do something about government and seriously change it instead of dealing with this right wing/left wing flip-flop dead end we are in?
    Vote Libertarian. We won't win but its time to start trying anyway. Eventually it will happen. I am not going to vote for the lesser of two evils anymore like I have done in the past. Nolan in 04 :)
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      Nah.
      by TheChisa(come@me.bro)
      gfd messages
      on Dec 17, 2003 03:34:10 PM
      (#12250)
      I would have said "I really like to fuck Marines up the ass after I break their kneecaps."

      I mean, why bother debating? It's just going to devolve to that anyway, so you may as well get in the first hit.
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      Lesser of two evils is how the system works.
      by ryepup
      gfd messages
      on Dec 22, 2003 11:31:07 PM
      (#12339)
      Three facts:
      1) Last election I used my vote to "start trying"
      2) I live in Florida
      3) Our president is George W. Bush.

      Conclusion: I will always vote for the lesser of evils.
      [Reply to this comment]  [Parent]
    In the future
    by GMFTatsujin(Ask and ye shall receive)
    gfd messagesAIM
    on Dec 17, 2003 09:29:33 AM
    (#12241)
    Please restrict all purile accusation and flailing ad hominem attack activity to the GFD boards. Thank you for your cooperation.
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    All I can come up with is that....
    by Pollyanna(pollyanna@suckmybutt.com)
    gfd messagesMSN
    on Dec 17, 2003 10:08:19 AM
    (#12243)
    ...people are scared not to believe what the government says. There is a certain class of person who will get very upset if you even hint that the attacks could have been prevented. I think this has to do with fear. Especially right after it happened, people suddenly realized how vulnerable we are and they really felt the need for someone they could trust watching over them. The only person in a position to be that someone was George W. Bush, therefore that whole stolen election was completely swept under the rug and he was our savior. I think the remnants of this feeling are what allowed him to undertake this war. People were still feeling vulnerable and they needed to feel that steps were being taken. Attacking Afghanistan and Iraq were the only plans anyone presented, and a bad plan is more comforting than no plan at all. We have to get over this. We have to grow up. Clinging to the idea of an ex-cheerleader/cokehead as protector and a war as security is regressive behavior. It is a nice idea, but that idea is about to bite us in the ass.
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      Almost...
      by drakaan
      gfd messages
      on Dec 18, 2003 02:07:23 PM
      (#12261)
      I think it's not so much that people are scared not to believe what the government says, but that they need to believe something period. I won't argue that the attacks could have been prevented, because they probably could have (maybe even before the election). There are plenty of reasons not to implicitly trust anyone, and the government of the USA definitely counts as "anyone". The main reason that it's untrustworthy is that it is comprised entirely of people, and when it comes right down to it, people (at least in America) are pretty much in it for themselves, whatever "it" may be.

      I don't support attacking Iraq as retaliation for 9/11, but I absolutely support our removal of the bastard that we helped put in power and keep in power for 35 years...I got to visit Iraq in early 1991, courtesy of the US Army, and it's just *wrong* for Iraqi soldiers to be happier to see US troops than Kuwaiti citizens. He needed to go. Good riddance.

      There's a lot of truth in "a bad plan is more comforting than no plan at all". People in power realize that, and for better or worse, a chief executive's job is to execute...he has to do something, because that's his job. It might not be correct, or it might. It might not be popular or it might. A lot of people just want something to happen, and don't care about the details.

      You're right. We DO have to get over this and grow up, but the prognosis is poor. Last I saw, personal responsibility wan't a high priority for most Americans, especially the younger ones, and as long as that's the case, all that will happen is a lot of bitching and whining about how things could be better.

      The idea of war as security is not a new one, it's just new to folks under the age of 60. What's new is the idea that in order to be safe, we have to let the government control what we do and how we do it, and actually, even that (horrible as it is) is just a speeding-up of the creeping erosion of civil liberties that's been going on for 80 years.

      Worse than the particulars of what whoever's in office is doing at he moment is the fact that, by and large, people don't care! The only issues they are aware of are those that they see televised or that friends who do pay attention mention to them. Compounding that is the fact that they also don't care to know the details about those same stories. I could write a mostly fabricated story about any subject I wanted to, and a sizable percentage of people would accept it as true without a thought to checking its basis in fact (unless they disagreed with it deeply).

      There's only one thing that's going to save our society, and it's not removing Bush from office. He gets an absolute maximum of 8 years to exert influence on the way things go, and that's a drop in the bucket. What will help is teaching people at a young age that it's their job to think critically, make decisions, and develop *informed* opinions (unlike the uninformed, unsupported opinions of the two servicemen mentioned in the rant). The problem is not democrats or republicans, per-se, it's the ignorant, apathetic millions who are content to say "that sucks".
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        As a neat aside
        by Captain Zilog(CaptZilog@hotmail.com)
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        on Dec 18, 2003 05:03:32 PM
        (#12264)
        I once heard a quote, and I don't know who to attribute it to, if anyone knows, I'd be delighted to know as well. It goes something like: "Peace is simply a war that the common man doesn't know about." Basically, you're always at war and anyone who tells you otherwise has an agenda.
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    Propaganda
    by bean
    gfd messages
    on Dec 17, 2003 10:29:58 AM
    (#12244)
    Strangely, this reminds me of the morning "discussions" that would occur at the last place I worked. Right-wing vs. left-wing propaganda run amok. It's watching children fight on an entierly new scale. Most of these arguments were caused by either listening to left or right wing radio. Both parties simply spew out sentences that have nothing to do with real issues and back nothing up with facts. The right-wing blames everything on Clinton, while the left-wing blames the Bush saga. I always felt it was a group effort in destroying the world.

    I've also gone through the same drama you have with whatever message board you were posting to. I used to lurk in a few political chatrooms. Often times they were merely filled with strung-out conspiracy theorists with nothing interesting to say. But it was always an enjoyable experience trying to make them defend there inane logic.
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      You are right about talk radio fucking people up
      by Pollyanna(pollyanna@suckmybutt.com)
      gfd messagesMSN
      on Dec 17, 2003 04:13:06 PM
      (#12252)
      I'm a big bleeding heart and all, but sometimes the left wing makes me even sicker than the right wing does. An example....I used to listen regularly to Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman. However, on Valentine's day she did her whole show about how the workers on the rose and carnation farms in Latin America are totally oppressed and dying of starvation with no health care, etc. etc. I am sure this is true and it's sad and all but COME ON. Don't we fat greedy Americans have enough to feel guilty about? We are already resposnible for more of the world's problems than we could ever hope to solve, why torture us with more guilt? I mean- Valentine's Day?!!!! I really think Ms. Goodman trivialized herself with that one. I'm sure it's a valid issue and all but she really needs to pick her battles. I think we should work on getting people to take responsibility for things like global warming and maybe save the rose farmers for later. Just a thought.
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    Bah,
    by Captain Zilog(CaptZilog@hotmail.com)
    gfd messages
    on Dec 17, 2003 12:01:19 PM
    (#12246)
    4.8 my ass!

    At least everyone understands my plight. Except GMFTatsujin... maybe... I don't really understand what he said...
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      I just didn't want to have to search teh intarweb for it
      by GMFTatsujin(Ask and ye shall receive)
      gfd messagesAIM
      on Dec 18, 2003 03:09:20 PM
      (#12262)
      When I want a dose of childish and uncalled-for vehement flamboyance, here is where I come. That's all.

      Sheesh. I even voted you a 6...
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        Gotcha,
        by Captain Zilog(CaptZilog@hotmail.com)
        gfd messages
        on Dec 18, 2003 05:07:43 PM
        (#12265)
        I wasn't sure, sometimes I just give up when I see big words in complex sentences. Not that I don't understand, I just don't try :)

        And thank you for the above-average 6. It is duly appreciated.
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    The only part I don't get heart
    by TheChisa(come@me.bro)
    gfd messages
    on Dec 17, 2003 03:32:15 PM
    (#12249)
    is what did Old Navy have to do with any of this?
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    Well
    by dale2940(chaneysd@hotmail.com)
    gfd messagesYahoo
    on Jan 5, 2004 11:10:39 AM
    (#12376)
    I am in the Navy and patriotic but i see your point about the government hiding things from us and i kind of agree and i also don't like rednecks so there you go
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      Was almost in the Navy...
      by Captain Zilog(CaptZilog@hotmail.com)
      gfd messages
      on Jan 5, 2004 04:43:37 PM
      (#12380)
      I got a 98 on the ASVAB entrance exams, and was slated to go in as an E3 Nuclear Engineer. Then, as if by magic, something told me to not do it. So I said no. Haha.
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    So many great quotes
    by grandtheftcondom(grandtheftcondom@gmail.com)
    gfd messages
    on Dec 6, 2011 09:12:03 AM
    (#31221)
    "If everyone did what the government told them, we'd still be British." - Robin William's character in Man of the Year

    And did you know that Thomas Jefferson, one of our founding fathers was quoted as saying that we need a periodic revolution "every twenty years" because it is "a medicine neccessary for sound health of government"?
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